she went shooting with a friend of ours who is a retired new york city police officer. he taught her how to shoot. she was very responsible with the gun. she was a very responsible person in general, especially in terms of safety. >> ellen, she took the boys to the shooting range. that's been talked about. she did take them to the shooting range? >> from what i understand, yep. >> and what did you want to say about that? >> again, i guess i want to j t just -- um -- um -- um -- um mickic russ as far as safety. nancy wouldn't answer her phone or look at a text in the car. if i got in the car, it was oops, seat belt, at the first dippi ding or before the ding happened. she was very careful and cautious and responsible. in regard to leaving anything out as far as a gun, it is -- i can't believe show with do the . >> sebastian, tell us your memories? >> a very dignified woman, a lot of class, very proper, great moral compass. we just saw her three weeks ago, my place, i left, accident say bye. she send embassy text zurngts say bye to me. the kind of person she was. very pol